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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:42:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I think there's a good argument that she's guilty of a crime. Theft and sale of intellectual property.
At no point does any gold farmer transfer ownership of the intellectual property of the game company. The assets are still in the game. IP violation is when you take, for example, the art assets of EVE Online to use in your web browser based game. I am not a lawyer, so I have no idea whether gold farming could be compared to unlicensed trade in share or stock certificates, for example.
I am curious as to the relevance of the source of money to the legitimacy of the ownership of the gold bars. I hope the judge isn't conflating the concepts of "gold farming" with "resource extraction". St Barbara would surely be interested in ways to supplement their Sons of Gwalia property with gold farmed from MMOs.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.08.14 06:54:00 -
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Accounts hacked leading to the burglary is entirely conceivable in the case that people knew she was a gold farmer, tracked her down and stole her real gold.
Nothing "too convenient" about organised crime in this case.
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Mara Rinn
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Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:48:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:That's a really good point. As per the OP, regardless of the legality of their actions, I still applaud them.
I have properties insured with AAMI. I will be watching this case very closely. If the source of the money used to buy stuff insured with AAMI is grounds for denying the claim, I will be taking my insurance elsewhere. Appcryphal sroties abound of how they have already dismissed claims based on damage caused by tenants as being "wear and tear" when the damage was obviously malicious damage from disgruntled evictees.
What happens if damage occurs to my property as a result of crimes committed by my tenants? What if this woman was a tenant of mine and AAMI chose not to pay out on my claim for repairs to the property due to the break and entry?
It would be better PR for AAMI to pay up, then sue for fraud should the theft prove to have been staged or arranged. At least trying to provide the illusion of acting in good faith would go some way towards improving customer relations.
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Mara Rinn
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Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.08.15 06:13:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:It would be better PR for AAMI to pay up, then sue for fraud should the theft prove to have been staged or arranged. At least trying to provide the illusion of acting in good faith would go some way towards improving customer relations.
Quote:AAMI has counter-sued, accusing Ms Fincham of staging the theft in order to fraudulently claim on her policy. You're welcome.
There is a difference between being belligerent about paying up, and suing for fraud after paying out.
If I have a payout delayed by a belligerent insurer, I lose money. If I get the payout, I at least get my property repaired and back on the market. Then I have an income stream to support the legal action.
AAMI has not paid out in this case. They refused to pay out, the client sued them, now AAMI is counter-suing. Why did the judge take the source of the funds into consideration? Who briefed the judge? No doubt we will end up seeing the anti-terrorist "proceeds of crime" law invoke here to include the legitimately procured gold bars as proceeds of crime and thus uninsurable and seizable by the state.
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Mara Rinn
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Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.08.15 06:22:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Thank you, Asuri, I've been getting a headache repeating myself and I was just going to let everyone think what they wanted to think. My opinions stand.
You need to learn to read what people are saying, perhaps? And stop repeating yourself, since the message didn't get through the first time, how is saying the same thing over again going to change the outcome? Rather than repeating yourself, try a different tactic. Approach the explanation from a different direction, start with a different part of the story.
AAMI is counter suing their client, who is suing AAMI for a payout on an insurance policy relating to the loss of $45,000 worth of gold. AAMI is claiming that the loss was staged, so they have not paid out.
AAMI have not paid out. AAMI have started legal action against their client. I want to know how little evidence they have to support their claim of a staged theft besides, "we don't want to pay." As a client of AAMI's this is important to me.
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